User talk:Lozleader

Welcome
Hi, welcome to London Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the London County Council page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Jackiespeel (Talk) 00:06, January 4, 2012

Categories
You have Parliamentary Constituencies, I merely have Constituencies - which shall we go for? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:07, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * As there European constituencies and London Assembly constituencies I suggest keeping the P word. Lozleader (talk) 19:39, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think most of those I have put in the 'constituencies' category are parliamentary (often historical) - I have been trying to clear the 'uncategorised articles' somewhat. Perhaps we could have a page where we (and anyone else who joins in) agree such things beforehand (or at least get alibis consistent). Jackiespeel (talk) 21:49, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * ... and sometimes it is easier to 'put all items in a group' and then divide up into the several subgroups (and it can be easier to see the groups when looking at the 'Wanted Categories' list. Jackiespeel (talk) 21:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fine... have a constituencies category with a number of subcategories (easy to do you just create the subcategory pages and then add them to the constituencies category).
 * So as far as subcats go how about:


 * Parliamentary constituencies (historic)
 * Parliamentary constituencies (current)
 * European Parliament constituencies
 * London Assembly constituencies


 * The Euro ones may need historic/current.. not sure without looking it up.


 * It is of course possible to add more than one constituency category, so if one felt that "Constituencies created in 1832" or "Constituencies in Hackney" would be useful categorisation that can be done.


 * Just a question of being logical, agreeing the thing then being consistent. Might mean writing a brief guideline page like they do on Wikipedia betimes. Lozleader (talk) 09:30, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Given the limited geographical area 'dates of creation and winding up' are probably too detailed for now (and can be left for 'the proverbial someone' to deal with :) ) Jackiespeel (talk) 11:08, August 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right... I am toying with the idea of developing a history of parliamentary representation of London / history of constituencies. If it ever gets done it will obviously link out to the appropriate constituency articles for each period.


 * I suppose I will try and put up a rough policy document on constituency cats. Lozleader (talk) 15:26, August 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I unilaterally put up a "note to contributors" on the Constituencies Category page. Feel free to tweak it. Lozleader (talk) 10:10, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whatever seems practical - and at the present rate most of the articles whose categories are obvious will have been dealt with by the time others get involved. Jackiespeel (talk) 12:23, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Most are 'reasonably obvious' - but what should be done with the local government units - Boroughs, Boards of Work, Urban Districts etc? Should there be more than 'Category:Local government'? (So long as we are consistent, it does not matter much) Jackiespeel (talk) 21:18, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose an important distinction is between current ones (mostly London boroughs) and defunct ones.Lozleader (talk) 21:25, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * So - continue with 'Category:Local government' (as all the units can be so defined) and then create several further categories, or 'some other set-up'? Might as well avoid redoing the work. Jackiespeel (talk) 21:32, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * For now yes then "refine" at a later time Lozleader (talk) 21:38, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

London School Board references
Can you unredlink Who was Who and OUP? Jackiespeel (talk) 13:38, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK... the curse of copy and paste... Lozleader (talk) 16:31, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles
I am trying to avoid 'mere cut-and-pastery' whether or not you created the articles :) Jackiespeel (talk) 17:22, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am using them as a "start"... trim back the non-London stuff and expand the London part of their careers. At least that's the (sort of) Plan :-) Lozleader (talk) 19:33, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * So long as we follow the same pattern of activity we will avoid at least some problems. :) Jackiespeel (talk) 22:30, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Useful websites page
Add to the London websites page as you come across anything interesting - and when there are enough we can divide them up as appropriate. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:22, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tidying up
Can you resolve the remaining double redirects please? Jackiespeel (talk) 21:52, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I couldn't remember where to find the list but found it in the end! Incidentally I had lots of "fun" tracking down the right Lieutenant-Colonel Frederick Charles Colvile. There appear to have been at least five lieutenant-colonels of that name in our time period, some with two "ll"s and some with one. Took a while to eliminate the wrong ones (one was Welsh and was promoted through the ranks during WWI, another emigrated to Australia where he became a leading member of local society), but I found the right guy in the end (not helped by the variable spelling of his surname in the newspapers)! Lozleader (talk) 13:48, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If appropriate in such cases add links elsewhere/comments on the talk pages (for persons deciding which namesakes are ex-relatives etc). Part of the fun of historical research is 'untangling' such details.

Will get on with the short pages and uncategorised pages now. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:01, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Lord Mayors and others
Possibly 'websearched - nothing available' (beyond WP and LW List of Mayors etc pages) comments on the talk pages would save a little time.

If you can locate any of the short pages list streets, add something - or add them elsewhere if appropriate. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:47, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

... and can you reconcile List of Sheriffs of London with the. Jackiespeel (talk) 19:43, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Talk pages
Shall we agree that the can be used to note information to be incorporated into the articles at a later date. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:45, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

K Lozleader (talk) 12:29, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

IP numbers
Is there a 'keep me signed in' option on your set up? Jackiespeel (talk) 22:09, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dunno. The computer signed me out of EVERYTHING, Amazon, Tesco, Wikipedia etc. Lozleader (talk) 19:55, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * 'Many problems are caused by computers trying 'to be helpful' (in completely the wrong directions), or deciding to reset things across the board without notifying the computer-user. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:06, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

How did you find my Great Uncle James Jeffery. My mothers Uncle. do you know any more about him. Regards Verajschonberg@googlemail.com

Unlinkings
Could you sort out the List of London bus routes (for places which are not) and templates on the page- and the Sevenoaks Parliamentary constituency (just about to be logged out of a library computer or would give more details) Jackiespeel (talk) 17:36, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Catholics
As the library computer is about to log me out can I mention. Jackiespeel (talk) 19:25, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Double redirects
There are several double-redirects - are they the same person in each case? Jackiespeel (talk) 16:10, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Middlesex County Council elections
Which bits of the Wikipedia page confuse things if copied over here? Jackiespeel (talk) 21:16, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Lists of Mayors
You have been busy :) Jackiespeel (talk) 21:27, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bit of time on hands :-) Lozleader (talk) 11:57, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

And could you sort out the redirect on the 1505 Sheriff William Browne. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:52, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Bus routes
Just as I was getting the 'wanted pages' list down to under 500 entries :) Jackiespeel (talk) 16:25, July 24, 2014 (UTC) ... and could you sort out the W9 'anchor' please. Jackiespeel (talk) 21:45, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Mayor Joseph Edwards 1928-29
Hi, The reason I posted my picture was because he was. I also have a picture of his wife on the chair of office as the Mayoress of Battersea. I have no idea as to where or how to post it though lol Please help. P.S. These were my mothers parents. I would also like to find out her name as she died when my mom was very young and neither she nor I know her name. :( She is now 93 yo and it would mean so much to her.

Bill Griffin (talk) 22:29, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Er we probably need to create a Joseph Edwards page with his mini-biography and photo on. Lozleader (talk) 16:54, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking at freebmd, there are a few Joseph Edwards marriages in Wandsworth District (which included Battersea until 1930). In later cases they give the maiden name of the bride.

Crown copyright. Published by permission of the Controller of HMSO and the Office for National Statistics. You must not copy on, transfer or reproduce records without the prior permission of ONS.

Search keys: Type	Marriages Surname	Edwards First name(s)	Joseph District	Wandsworth Results: Event	      Quarter	Year	Surname	Given Name	AAD/Spouse/Mother District	Flag	Volume	Page


 * Marriages	Dec	1864	Edwards	Joseph		               Wandsworth	0	1d	886
 * Marriages	Dec	1877	EDWARDS	Joseph		               Wandsworth	0	1d	939
 * Marriages	Jun	1906	Edwards	Joseph		               Wandsworth	0	1d	950
 * Marriages	Sep	1909	EDWARDS	Joseph Henry	               Wandsworth	32	1d	1947
 * Marriages	Jun	1915	Edwards	Joseph H	Scofield	Wandsworth	0	1d	1327
 * Marriages	Jun	1915	Edwards	Joseph T	Divine	       Wandsworth	0	1d	1796
 * Marriages	Mar	1920	Edwards	Joseph	       Matthews	Wandsworth	0	1d	913
 * Marriages	Jun	1924	EDWARDS	Joseph C F	Prior	       Wandsworth	0	1d	1267

Search engine, layout and database Copyright 1998-2013 The Trustees of Free UK Genealogy (Ben Laurie, Graham Hart, Camilla von Massenbach, David Mayall and Jim Killock), a charity registered in England and Wales, Number 1096940. We make no warranty whatsoever as to the accuracy or completeness of the FreeBMD data. Use of the FreeBMD website is conditional upon acceptance of the Terms and Conditions

Lozleader (talk) 17:05, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Page created - so the discussion can continue there.

The article mentioned gives a couple of addresses - and more could be done with PO and other yearbooks, which should lead to the correct one being identified. Jackiespeel (talk) 21:27, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia crossover
Can you answer here ?

Shall update some of the MBW and after persons. Jackiespeel (talk) 23:42, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Kelly's etc Post Office volumes and LCC members
(As a generic term)

Having checked in a volume at the TNA (they can be rather large) it is possible to go from the address in the List of LCC members to that in the 'main run' and find out some of the given names. So, along with the Historical Directories website, we could probably resolve a few more of the initials. (Will add those I find). Jackiespeel (talk) 14:18, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, a clever plan. Yes the postal address does sometimes seem to be the key: I've been plodding through the early Mayors of Croydon whose addresses appear in Municipal Yearbooks (I don't have access but there is often just enough available in "snippet view" in Google Books). With the name and address they often turn up somewhere else in a Google search as a member of a society or something in the City or the volunteer force, and perhaps had an unsuccessful run for parliament. Occasionally there are details of their will/probate in the local papers. Lozleader (talk) 14:43, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * At some point the lists of LCC members should be updated - quite a few of the initials have full names in the actual articles. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:01, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

IPs changes
Is that you - or has someone else joined in? Jackiespeel (talk) 22:44, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not me guvnor Lozleader (talk) 16:10, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * As the wikiverse has a habit of logging one out unexpectedly, might as well check (and try to get another contributor). Jackiespeel (talk) 16:25, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Cooper picture
How does one put it 'the right way up'? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:18, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Downloaded it onto my computer, flipped it in my favourite graphics programme and uploaded it as new version. Presumably this is Ben Cooper? Lozleader (talk) 20:56, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * The standing figure at the right on the lower picture at is him. Will get back to the mayors in a while. Jackiespeel (talk) 00:08, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Double redirects
I have dealt with most of those that have arisen - but the remaining station is 'going round in circles' and what format do you want with the chap (alter any of the others to suit).

We should 'have a little list' on titles in headings to be 'reasonably' consistent. (Doesn't matter in most cases which we choose so long as we are consistent.) Jackiespeel (talk) 16:52, March 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Er not with you at all... please point me at the double redirects. By the "little list" do you mean a "style guide"? Lozleader (talk) 19:19, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Special pages' - heading 'double redirects'

'Little list' - to what extent should titles such as General, Squadron Leader, titles of nobility etc appear in the headers or be delegated to the article (I have already dealt with several Mrs XY: some of the duplications etc arise from inclusion and non-inclusion. Jackiespeel (talk) 19:31, March 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * OK I will look into the double redirects. As for the other issue, I don't think titles/job descriptions (General, Reverend, Doctor or whatever) should be in the article titles. Hard to know about middle names... a lot of these people seem to have been happy using initials. Obviously if you need to differentiate between people of the same name it's necessary. Perhaps stick your ideas down first and then I can have a look ;-) Lozleader (talk) 20:24, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering how much has been involved in setting up the tables and lists and the miscellany of resources used there are likely to be a number of anomalies arising - so long as we (and the passers-through) are reasonably consistent problems should be minimised. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:30, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Nice job on the mayor lists, much appreciated Lozleader (talk) 22:18, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how many more can be 'found' - even with collating the various sources: 'those compiling records in the past' should have been slightly less coy with given names.

Should we look into getting onto something like ? Jackiespeel (talk) 21:57, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Election lists
Do you wish to get in touch with the Harrow and Westminster election collectors, or shall I? And what arrangement for future such 'useful sites' (even if just agreeing to add a link to the relevant LW page) Jackiespeel (talk) 21:40, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * By all means go ahead: do we perhaps need write a "mission statement" or at least a bit of "boilerplate" to give them an idea of what we are doing (or trying to do) first? Incidentally it turns that Havering Council has archives for all elections since 1964 on their site. Lozleader (talk) 22:08, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * So long as we don't both approach the same people/bodies.

My preference would be towards something like listing other websites (as well as on the various relevant LW pages) - which can accommodate websites ceasing - rather than negotiating a webring or something (as I don't know how to create one). Jackiespeel (talk) 10:19, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. No idea how to do that either. disappointed there isn't an Earl Grey Tea wiki. Think I might put the kettle on... But seriously, yes some sort of resource listing with a bit of a blurb at the top saying what we think we're up to (actually I take tea seriously). Lozleader (talk) 13:01, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Create an EGT wiki - or adopt Earl Grey tea pages on Tea Wiki :) Jackiespeel (talk) 21:14, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Councillors
I know most of the councillors and other members of bodies are likely to be 'locally significant persons doing their civic duty' but there seem to be enough 'interesting ones' to consider an encyclopedia. :) Jackiespeel (talk) 21:10, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Rev. William Rogers
Can you sort out the pdf link please. Jackiespeel (talk) 10:45, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, it's proving tricky. But on the plus side I discovered we had two articles on the same chap.Lozleader (talk) 15:10, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Given the nature of the project and the sources' there are likely to be a few duplicates.

pdfs do seem to be difficult to link to. Jackiespeel (talk) 21:58, May 31, 2015 (UTC)